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Bank has rejected all my chargebacks. And final letter to say this is their stance.


They said MCC misuse is unfortunate; but as the transactions were made to goldenbet, and I recieved the money in that account, they cannot chargeback for this.


is that correct? So they’re saying because I did get the goods from goldenbet (not the merchant on my transaction which is Nikoptf) it’s not eligible for chargeback.


so they’re completely fine with the potential money laundering? And saying it’s a dispute for me and the casino, not anyone else.


please help

Anonymized795

All my merchants were none UK based 14 in total but all successful for chargeback thankfully, the other factor for people looking at this route is as it’s a civil case if the merchants close down the courts cannot pursue them/they only pay back pence in the pound.

I would say good luck if you are going this route but the chance of seeing 100% of the money back is slim and the cost to pursue not worth it unless you are owed 1000s

What do PAYOP transactions show as on my bank statement?


currently trying to speak to them and received a email from them this morning

Strange one that call at 7.20am this morning maybe im over thinking ! probs one of those dodgy ones I have not heard anything since I doubt the bank would call at that time

Anyone had any luck with elegro.eu?


currently emailing them but no response

Respecto a Niko y Elegro:


Se mencionó varias veces. No hubo respuesta o siempre se respondió lo mismo: "No se puede identificar, comuníquese con el banco y envíe la devolución del cargo".

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paulmcewan05

I reckon it’s a dodgy call being that early

jbias18

Must be bud ffs !

Years a go I managed to sign up to one site and they used to call you with bonuses at all random hours, reckon it’s something like that if you signed up with a phone number?

jbias18

Could be anything bud been getting loads of them but not with no caller id the bank was the last to call that way so it got me thinking but I would have heard again by now if they wanted me it could have been about my refunds im not sure really but doubtful they would call at that time ! Im sure there would be an email if it was a challenge

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Gojira7346

I have also seen alot of these online gamers using Nikof. Inserted infront of user name i wonder if there is any corelation?

Anonymized795

Apparently they can but only in the jurisdiction of caracaco. Usually casinos make this clear in terms and conditions, That any court action must be submitted in Caracaco. Which I think is bullish.. t,Surley if you are commiting an offence in another country then you can be prosecuted in that country for those offences .It's like you go to another country commit a crime leave get caught and no consequences. I don't think it works like that .I think you can serve legal documents to any entity regardless where they are. It's based on where the crime took place .

Missdaisy

No.

Los acuerdos sobre el lugar de jurisdicción entre un consumidor y una empresa generalmente son ineficaces porque dichos acuerdos perjudican al consumidor. Derecho de la UE / Derecho alemán.

¿Cuál es el tribunal competente?

El Reglamento (CE) nº 44/2001 de la Comunidad Europea establece un principio básico a favor del consumidor que desee emprender acciones legales contra un comerciante establecido en otro Estado miembro de la UE. En la práctica, la acción del consumidor contra el socio contractual puede interponerse:

- presentarse ante los tribunales del Estado miembro en cuyo territorio esté establecida o domiciliada la parte contratante;

- o ante el tribunal del lugar donde tenga su domicilio el consumidor (la denominada jurisdicción de consumo).


El consumidor tiene por tanto derecho a elegir dónde quiere demandar al empresario.


Términos y condiciones:

Estos solo se aplican si existe una transacción legal. Los términos y condiciones no se aplican a transacciones ilegales, incluso si se acuerdan previamente. Por lo tanto, no importa lo que digan los términos y condiciones del casino.


El casino es responsable si usted puede depositar y jugar en el sitio web desde el Reino Unido. Por lo tanto, el casino es responsable según la ley del Reino Unido porque usted jugó desde el Reino Unido y el casino violó la ley del Reino Unido porque el casino permitió los pagos.

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Anonymized795

🤔Hmm is that what i just said??But the casinos are saying you must prosecute in their jurisdiction. I am not a idiot.

paulmcewan05

The bank would 100% call back/write to you. It has to be a dodgy site, I must get 20 texts a week from them. Kinghills who I have never played with called me last week to offer an opening bonus, it was just from a random UK number as well.

jbias18

Yes its just been a coincidence I think bud I would have heard by now no way would they call at 7.20am I suppose I got the jitters a bit ! I get lots of texts mainly sometimes 6 at a time I just delete and report them then calls but they are disguised as Uk numbers

Missdaisy

Entonces crea lo que le dicen los criminales que operan ilegalmente en numerosos países y moldean el mundo como ellos quieren.

No importa dónde se encuentre el casino, depende del lugar de residencia del jugador desde donde participa en el juego, en consecuencia el casino es responsable según las leyes del jugador.

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Mine just says gamingstore then

Northampton, but obviously smpaypf* is the payment provider so I will reach out to them as well as maybe the abr don't appear on bank statement thank you for info


Smpaypf* is smart payments estonia. You will get nothing off them. Even GDPR requests will be ignored

Anonymized795

What are you on about? As I said I am not an idiot .I understand that these casinos use this tactic to deter people from taking legal action against them ,if players are in other countries. If a player who does not know law reads that they will think it will cost most probably a great deal of money to proceed with a criminal case in their jurisdiction and use their court system ,no doubt also have to obtain legal representation from overseas as well .It's basically scare mongering Also you do not have to use a ADR in their jurisdiction like they also request .You can obtain a ADR in your country but casino has to agree to use the services or give a good explanation why they refuse to if the ADR is a government official bodied and authorized by a gambiling commission.

Dt100

If anyone GDPR Request is ignored then you report them to the European GDPR authority i am not sure of details but I know it's definitely illegal for a company to refuse a SARS request

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