Bueno. Entiendo. La ayuda legal que tengo dice que necesito conocer la PSP antes de poder continuar.
No quiero mencionarlo porque podrían leer el hilo.
¿Qué quiere decir con "seguir adelante"? ¿Se refiere a devolución de cargo a través del banco o reembolso?
No... tiene que ser vía Astropay.
El casino dice que es Astropay, ¿pero no lo crees?
¿Astropay es imposible?
He dejado de enviar correos electrónicos. No merece la pena.. He puesto quejas y a ver que dice el banco.
Este fin de semana informaré sobre una empresa sueca que juguetea con códigos y ayuda a estas empresas a lavar su dinero. Lo habría reportado esta noche pero estaba cansado después del trabajo.
Pero tanto FI como la inspección del juego han sentido curiosidad al respecto y han dicho INFORME
El Casino opera bajo una sublicencia de Curazao ya que el Casino está incorporado aquí. Como tal, la licencia de Curazao es una licencia de oferta neutral y Suecia no es un territorio prohibido bajo esa sublicencia. Como tal, el Casino ha actuado en el marco de la sublicencia que posee la empresa.
Los códigos MCC a los que hace referencia no son generados por el Casino, es la PSP la que puede asignar códigos MCC como tales. Nos gustaría aclarar que, al contrario de lo que usted ha mencionado en sus correos electrónicos, el Casino no puede influir ni decidir sobre estos códigos de ninguna manera.
¿Puede ser realmente cierto que PSP sea responsable del código mcc?
Según un contacto legal, tengo todo el derecho a saber qué PSP utiliza el casino cuando se trata de comerciar con Europa. Pero, ¿puede ser realmente tan simple que PSP sea responsable? Porque en ese caso significa que el casino está completamente ¿¿inocente??
Of course they are lying. The casinos does this together with the PSP's
The PSP's take a calculated risk to process these kind of transactions, as they can charge the casino a high fee for the risk they take. The casinos know they need to have these incorrectly coded transactions as that allows a lot more players to deposit, so they find the PSP's that are willing to take the risk for a fee. And the way it looks now, it's not really a risk either.
It's like saying they don't know which PSP's they are using, so how would they get any money from them, how would they be able to investigate deposits gone wrong, refunds and potential charge backs from players.
The PSP's will then use both merchants that are aware of the fraud and merchants that don't know about it and don't approve, and those are the ones most likely doing the refunds to players when contacted.
There are so many scrupulous PSP's, aquiring banks and what not that need the transaction volume to earn money. There can be quite many actors involved.
https://www.creditcards.com/education/how-does-a-credit-card-transaction-work/
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/how-credit-card-transactions-work-960245
Like mentioned before, yes, it's good if you receive any kind of refund, but the big win here is that you hopefully stop giving away your money to these casinos.
¿Pero eso significa que todos los casinos son inocentes?
y que la responsabilidad recae enteramente en el PSP? (Proveedor de servicios de pago)
¿Es esa una percepción correcta?
pero ¿cómo se le paga al casino si hay muchas empresas diferentes que se presentan como destinatarios?
See my previous reply.
Sí. Pero este casino cree que es la misma PSP: Astropay.
Pero en mi estado de cuenta dice varios plásticos de pago diferentes.. ¿y también otros proveedores? D
Sí. Pero este casino cree que es la misma PSP: Astropay.
Pero en mi estado de cuenta dice varios plásticos de pago diferentes.. ¿y también otros proveedores? D
Don't think there is much you can do.
Astropay been in the game a long time, they most likely don't care.
If you have none of the mentioned merchant names on your statement, there is nothing you can do. There is really no one really processing refunds anymore.
Best you can do is just stop giving away your hard earned money to these casinos.
¿Pero alguien aquí ha probado Astropay?
hello do you have contacts for Fatamp, Topcom, Tsinda limited, Altaprime Limited, Steam sync, Stacs ltd, Cloud energy photoelec. if you can help me thank you
Tsinda = Info@tsindagamers.com
https://www.norrsken.org/contact
kigali@norrsken.org / info@norrsken.org
Norrsken are the ones who rent the premises to them.
Ive emailed both, no answer at all 🙁 would be awesome if more people would help 🙂
norrsken = norrsken foundation. Its some kind of Swedish non-profit started by one of the founders of Klarna. Maybe it could be worth reaching out to them directly and ask why they are renting offices to companies involved with unlicensed gambling/ money laundering.
"NORRSKEN IS AN IMPACT ECOSYSTEM WHERE ENTREPRENEURS CAN FIND EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO MAKE SAVING THE WORLD THEIR BUSINESS"
yep tsinda gamers is clearly saving the world lol
Tener cualquier APERATOR y ALPASTRIKE
" topcom ", can’t seem to find a trace of them, does anybody have info?
I have been contacted today by two merchants that are refusing refunds and have specifically referred to the forum.
With nearly 85k views the casinos and merchants are starting to get all over this Legitimate refunds are going to become a lot harder
Hubiera sido divertido saber quiénes son estos 2 🙂
Es posible que rechacen los reembolsos, en cuyo caso animo a todos a que los denuncien y no lo dejen así. Sólo tendrán más problemas.
Como también dijo casinoguru, esta discusión está aquí y permanecerá aquí. Y cada día llega a más gente, y eso es algo bueno.
Todavía estoy esperando febrilmente que casinoguru publique los nombres de los 2 casinos que se comunicaron con ellos para solicitar la eliminación de este foro.
I have been contacted today by two merchants that are refusing refunds and have specifically referred to the forum.
With nearly 85k views the casinos and merchants are starting to get all over this Legitimate refunds are going to become a lot harder
Haven't really been any refunds in quite long time though, has it?
But people don't seem to be reading more than like 1-2 or two comments, see something about about refunds mentioned and think they can get all their money back.
Like been said many times, refunds are not the win here, the win here is to learn how casinos are abusing payments, acting like criminals, money laundering, etc. And hopefully (probably not), this will make anyone think one step further and stop playing at these casinos. We are all just sponsoring criminals, Russians, and other trashy people to live a life of luxury.
Invest in yourself instead of giving your money away.
Es posible que rechacen los reembolsos, en cuyo caso animo a todos a que los denuncien y no lo dejen así. Sólo tendrán más problemas.
Como también dijo casinoguru, esta discusión está aquí y permanecerá aquí. Y cada día llega a más gente, y eso es algo bueno.
Todavía estoy esperando febrilmente que casinoguru publique los nombres de los 2 casinos que se comunicaron con ellos para solicitar la eliminación de este foro.
I wouldn't hold your breath 🙂
I am actually surprised they haven't taken it down yet, considering that 99% of guru's income comes from being affiliated with all kinds of casinos.
Playing at these casinos is essentially supporting organized crime. Nothing else. You are dealing with the dirtiest individuals imaginable. The verification and payment processes are excessively long, and your money often ends up with unknown companies. There is a glaring lack of responsible gambling measures. These unlicensed casinos represent the worst aspects of the industry, including fraudulent activities, poor security, and no player protection.
After 15 years and untold amounts of losses to these crooks, I finally realize that they are, always have been, and alway will be scams. It's embarrassing to have come to this realization.
Fighting back by challenging their shady payment practices is fair play, so long as you are honest. But, shady payments is only tip of the iceberg and, by themselves, do not scratch the surface as to why these casinos are scams. In fact, you can have shady payment practices and still run an honest casino.
The cancellation of winnings for any reason they can contrive is the wildest and most crooked part of the scam. What I resent the most, and am most embarrassed about, is how they gaslight the player. You win, they don't pay you, and they act like you have done something wrong.
Here's an example of why this is so problematic. Suppose, for arguments sake, you enter the wrong zip code by accident when you sign up. You play on the site and lose $1000. Then, you make one more deposit and get lucky hitting for $2000. You request a withdrawal, submit your paperwork. They notice you used the incorrect zip code when you signed up, and say, for security reasons, that your wins are nullified because of this.
The issue with this example is, 1) many of us have had similar experiences for equally as minor or insane reasons and, 2) this means that you were never really gambling at all with the first $1000 you lost because there was never the possibility of winning as any win would eventually be disqualified. So, you did not get the service you paid for, every dollar you deposited was always going to be forfeited.
If these casinos were operating in the US, they would be subject to a massive class action lawsuit for such practices. They are scams.
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