Tema general sobre Winshark Casino (página 6)

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And from the same forum thread they discuss that casinos that uses these copied slots got the ability to control the game and put players in "deadzone" mode. I have experienced this on Winshark and also on FatRabbit casino very recently. The cainos do pay out winnings but they are not 100% legit. Notice all the disconnects on PlayNGo, thats a sign.

Also lately I have seen casinos that doesnt even show the rtp% at all on PlayNGo. I thought this was a new thing from the provider but it might be that they use copied slots and can manipulate the text/graphics? Maybe even show a false rtp%?

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RayMan

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Well the license doesnt include any authority checking these things. Sadly no. Thats not how a license works.

And casinos with copied slots is a thing, I think Winshark might be one of them. Look out for older graphics in the game, a number in the webadress and sudden stops and error/loading in the game. This is taken from another forum and 100% accurate :

"Be really careful many sites don't even have licenses and listen to Donner123, also check the browser's inspector, the pages have Game Launcher domains and the games are not delivered from e.g. Play n Go etc. The games are copied in old versions, compare with Unibet that runs the latest versions of the games."

This is the reality. What can we do about it? Why doesnt the slot providers care?

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I believe that "slot providers don't care" as you said, because:

1) Their products - the games are licensed under their own-game providers earned license that esure certificate confirming the RNG bases. It is quite oversimplified but still quite handy.

2) The licensing authorities issuing licenses to casinos only check whether the games are certificated upon the casino license issuing process. The rest is out of their reach.

3) To avoid local gambling restrictions, some game providers change the game's appearance, features, or look to make the same product more popular for certain markets/regions. Or they mask where the game is loading from...

No wonder many players consider these tactics to be a sigh of fake/manipulated games. But I also understand game providers would not want to openly discuss avoiding restrictions or altering graphics for most successful games. Still, I would love to have at least one official game provide representative to answer your very good questions.

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RayMan

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Yes more than one time casino staff admitted that that a personal rtp is used. As I wrote, this is programmed from the provider. Thats why you cant win big hits after some nice wins. You will lose until you are "even" with the game. I lost 600 euro one time many years ago and they way I won back exactly 600 euro (single win hit) on the same slots but in a different casino later that night. Many times they work like that. A license does absolutley nothing, since they use third party products and the can claim everything is according to RNG by that. Its a big scam.

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I think you refer to the preset RTP values, which scale, and the casino may choose the concrete RTP value when procuring the game from the game provider. This is quite a common practice and the reason why we always say the player should be able to see the current RTP value available to him for each game.

Please do not mistake this for the most widely held player belief, which is that the casino somehow changed RTP specifically to lower players' chances of winning. As long as each game has an RTP below 100% and players continue to play in hopes of winning, this is totally beyond the realm of rational discussion. The mathematical advantage is always on the casino side, so they actually just need you to stay; you will lose eventually. Furthermore, despite being the least favorable of all casino games, the majority of players continue to play slots.

Under such circumstances, casinos only need players to participate, and players are more than willing to play the most disadvantageous type of games—the slots.

Have you ever thought about this before?

Of course, from time to time some scammy casinos simply chose the shortcut to profit and used some sort of fake games.

Actually, though, I would not waste time on phony games if I wanted to start defrauding players; instead, I would entice them with incredible bonuses and an unclear deposit requirement to authorize pending withdrawals. Once I had enough, I would simply close the site. Based on my personal experiences, I believe that this is an easier and, of course, the most unethical method of scamming casino players for money. No need to bother with "altered RTP"...

Radka

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RayMan

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And from the same forum thread they discuss that casinos that uses these copied slots got the ability to control the game and put players in "deadzone" mode. I have experienced this on Winshark and also on FatRabbit casino very recently. The cainos do pay out winnings but they are not 100% legit. Notice all the disconnects on PlayNGo, thats a sign.

Also lately I have seen casinos that doesnt even show the rtp% at all on PlayNGo. I thought this was a new thing from the provider but it might be that they use copied slots and can manipulate the text/graphics? Maybe even show a false rtp%?

hace 2 días

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I would certainly ask the casino for an explanation regarding the missing RTP values. Though, as I said, there are far too many different explanations as the one you keep suggesting 🙂.

RayMan

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I believe that "slot providers don't care" as you said, because:

1) Their products - the games are licensed under their own-game providers earned license that esure certificate confirming the RNG bases. It is quite oversimplified but still quite handy.

2) The licensing authorities issuing licenses to casinos only check whether the games are certificated upon the casino license issuing process. The rest is out of their reach.

3) To avoid local gambling restrictions, some game providers change the game's appearance, features, or look to make the same product more popular for certain markets/regions. Or they mask where the game is loading from...

No wonder many players consider these tactics to be a sigh of fake/manipulated games. But I also understand game providers would not want to openly discuss avoiding restrictions or altering graphics for most successful games. Still, I would love to have at least one official game provide representative to answer your very good questions.

hace 2 días

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The slots themselves are not licensed until a licensed casino uses them. As it is today the slots are probably used by these "fake" casinos without knowledge from the slot providers. Its just copied/mirrored slots. I dont know how it works but I think the reason that PlayNGo dont care is because they are doing billions and dont need to. They cant even be reached at their offices by phone.

Its not that they alter the graphics or to avoid restrictions. Many of these even have IP blocked providers. They use old versions of the slots as they dont pay for it to PlayNGo.

I agree there should be a way to communicate with the providers, but since I talked to one of the big shots at PlayNGo I can tell you that they dont care if they scam people, its a shady business and a grey zone industry. And they make extreme profit every year.

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I would certainly ask the casino for an explanation regarding the missing RTP values. Though, as I said, there are far too many different explanations as the one you keep suggesting 🙂.

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The casino in most cases consists of a outsourced support that cant answer nothing about the rtp or the slots. Its all lined up perfectly. "Thats how they are delivered from the provider, the casino cant manipulate the games in any way."

Its a very big problem with fake casinos for the banks, at least here. My bank and Mastercard just limited the transfers to Revolut because of this. And they try to cut of any payments for non EU licensed casinos. For a couple years now I had to use Revolut to even deposit to these casinos.

And as I have looked up several of the people behind these casinos, many are well known to be linked to organized crime. Still they even had a MGA license in one case..Rade Kotur with son being one of them.

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RayMan

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The slots themselves are not licensed until a licensed casino uses them. As it is today the slots are probably used by these "fake" casinos without knowledge from the slot providers. Its just copied/mirrored slots. I dont know how it works but I think the reason that PlayNGo dont care is because they are doing billions and dont need to. They cant even be reached at their offices by phone.

Its not that they alter the graphics or to avoid restrictions. Many of these even have IP blocked providers. They use old versions of the slots as they dont pay for it to PlayNGo.

I agree there should be a way to communicate with the providers, but since I talked to one of the big shots at PlayNGo I can tell you that they dont care if they scam people, its a shady business and a grey zone industry. And they make extreme profit every year.

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Hola, continuemos.

"Las máquinas tragamonedas en sí no están autorizadas hasta que un casino autorizado las utilice".

Tengo información diferente, pero siéntete libre de compartir alguna fuente oficial que respalde la tuya. Tal vez haya habido algún avance nuevo en el campo de las licencias.

"Son solo máquinas copiadas o duplicadas. No sé cómo funciona, pero creo que la razón por la que a PlayNGo no le importa es porque están ganando miles de millones y no necesitan hacerlo. Ni siquiera se puede contactar con ellos por teléfono en sus oficinas".

Mis observaciones sobre el porcentaje de jugadores que dicen que las máquinas tragamonedas están manipuladas, falsificadas o alteradas me llevan a concluir que los proveedores de juegos simplemente no tienen suficiente personal para manejar todos estos problemas. Considere la cantidad de jugadores que se acercan al proveedor de juegos después de perder dinero en sus máquinas tragamonedas e insisten en que los juegos deben haber sido manipulados de alguna manera. La distinción entre el punto de vista de los jugadores y una preocupación legítima respaldada por un historial de juego completo o límites de video, por ejemplo, debería ser clara.

"No es que alteren los gráficos o que eviten las restricciones. Muchos de ellos incluso tienen proveedores con IP bloqueada. Utilizan versiones antiguas de las tragamonedas porque no pagan por ellas a PlayNGo".

A pesar de las reglas, algunos proveedores toman acciones específicas para garantizar que sus productos estén disponibles para todos, como mencioné.

"Estoy de acuerdo en que debería haber una forma de comunicarse con los proveedores, pero como hablé con uno de los peces gordos de PlayNGo, puedo decirles que no les importa si estafan a la gente, es un negocio turbio y una industria de zona gris. Y obtienen enormes ganancias todos los años".

Me interesaría ver la comunicación con este proveedor. Si es posible, ¿podrías hacer una captura de pantalla de la respuesta oficial que recibiste? ¡Sería fantástico!

Hi, let's continue.

"The slots themselves are not licensed until a licensed casino uses them."

I have different information, but feel free to share some official source supporting yours. Perhaps there has been some new development in the field of licensing.

"Its just copied/mirrored slots. I dont know how it works but I think the reason that PlayNGo dont care is because they are doing billions and dont need to. They cant even be reached at their offices by phone."

My observations of the percentage of players who say the slots are manipulated, faked, or altered lead me to conclude that the game providers are simply understaffed to handle all of these issues. Consider the number of players who approach the game provider after losing money on their slots and insist that the games must have been rigged in some way. The distinction between the players' viewpoint and a legitimate worry backed up by comprehensive gaming history or video caps, for example, should be clear.

"Its not that they alter the graphics or to avoid restrictions. Many of these even have IP blocked providers. They use old versions of the slots as they dont pay for it to PlayNGo."

Despite the rules, some providers take specific actions to ensure that their products are available to everyone, as I mentioned.

"I agree there should be a way to communicate with the providers, but since I talked to one of the big shots at PlayNGo I can tell you that they dont care if they scam people, its a shady business and a grey zone industry. And they make extreme profit every year."

I would be interested in seeing the communication with this provider. If possible, could you take a screenshot of the official response you received? That would be awesome!